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07-31-2006, 10:59 AM
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That is an interesting page, but please take a look at this one as well...

http://print.christiancourier.com/articl...thew24.htm

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07-31-2006, 03:53 PM
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Im Catholic, and just not focused on the bible. Take a look outside your window. There is much more to this world then could be put in a book written 2000 years ago. The bible is great, don't get me wrong, I just dont take it word for word. Its been translated, remade, ect. so even you can't take everything for face value. Try making sense between 2000 year old Hebrew and year 2000 English. In addition, evidence in the world contradicts stories from the bible, so all in all I don't really follow it as a road map. As a moral guide and the greatest piece of written work in world history, yes.

" There is only one duty, only one safe course, and that is to try to be right and not fear to do or say what you believe." - Winston Churchill

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07-31-2006, 04:51 PM
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There have been many variations, and it's important to look at the original text (or have someone help with it). As for not being able to take it at face value, why? If it's God's word (as many Catholics I know agree that it is) then the truth is there. Men can alter things, but there are versions that are properly aligned with the original texts. It takes study to understand this.

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07-31-2006, 04:52 PM
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Then again, if it didn't make sense, why would so many people have given up their lives for what it says? (I've heard the group stupidity answer already...heh) Surely something that has lasted that long and had that kind of following since it was written has got to make people sit up and take notice...

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07-31-2006, 08:18 PM
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See, this is why I don't like getting into Christian debates. 1 person ends up saying "their own" interpretation (let's be real, you have read other authors interpretations and follow those that you feel have interpreted the Bible the way you feel it should) is the correct one and their can't be any other. For instance, what I don't get with UPC people is that if you believe in the trinity then you are going to hell and all of this b.s. Anyway, many people believe in a tribulation and a rapture and such. That doesn't mean they have interpreted the Bible wrong. There are many opinions out there. Who knows what is correct. The Bible isn't always clear. I do agree with you that 1 key in understanding the Bible is to first understand its context and such. For you to be so bold and believe that your demonination's interpretation is the purest most correct one is a complete and utter delusion. I don't mean to come of like an [email protected]@hole but your tone is a little abrasive to me the way you just jumped all over stormlover for talking about his end time interpretation.

-oh, and by the way, many muslims have died for their faith so lets not use that as evidence for the correct religion.
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08-01-2006, 07:53 AM
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Quote:Who knows what is correct. The Bible isn't always clear. I do agree with you that 1 key in understanding the Bible is to first understand its context and such. For you to be so bold and believe that your demonination's interpretation is the purest most correct one is a complete and utter delusion.

Ok, I wasn't 'jumping' on Stormlover. I was merely trying to get his take on things. The 'tribulation' doctrine comes out of Matthew 24, and it does talk about a tribulation. HOWEVER, in verse 34, it says that 'this generation shall not pass away before this happens' (paraphrased, but that's what it says). Jesus was talking with the people regarding Jerusalem and it's destruction, which happened in 70 AD (you can look this up other places than the bible), which was only 37 years after Jesus was killed. THAT is what I'm trying to prove, that the Bible does not teach a 'tribulation' and 'rapture', but a message that when they saw Rome circling the city, and an 'abomination of desolation' (use o.t. to figure this one out...) which would happen in the temple in Jerusalem, to get out of the city, and pray that it did not happen at an inopportune time, i.e. winter, or the sabbath (because the gates would be closed and noone would escape).

Many muslims do die for their beliefs, but they generally commit murder when they are doing so - I believe that is what you are speaking of, yes? The Jihad? In the days of the Roman Empire, people weren't fighting to kill the infidel, but being executed en mass because of their belief. It would have been easy to deny Jesus and their faith and live, but they chose to stick to their faith and accept, often times, horrible tortures and death. They would be fed to wild animals, burned at the stake, stoned, cooked inside giant hollow metal statues, crucified, and if they were lucky, just killed quickly. It's not quite the same as saying 'my faith is right, so i must kill you'.

The UPC is off on some things too. And for the record, I do not belong to a denomination. Denominations have different man-made creeds and authoritative groups and things, but the bible does not teach this. It teaches that it is the only authority we have/need.

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08-01-2006, 07:56 AM
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At least we agree that context is important...heh. But the URL's that I posted aren't ones I read and agreed with per se, but ones that I read and understood that they agree with what the bible says in context, without being changed to fit someone's opinion.

The bible is simple to understand with diligent study.

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