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07-28-2006, 09:22 PM

katiebuglj Wrote:... "why is this guy next to me mumbling".

Maybe he is speaking in tongues Smile

No I don't want to start a discussion on that subject!

07-28-2006, 09:33 PM

Stormlover Wrote:Sorry,but you are both so wrong...the world will end at God's chosen time,mankind can see signs,but not know the day or time..when you leave God out of the equation as you two do,you have no clue then.

I read a thing once that stated Jesus might return during the "Feast of Trumpets"/Rosh Hashanah. It had something to do with this being the only matter He had yet to fulfill regarding the celebrations/feasts. When Jesus said no man would know the day nor the hour, this was a specific reference to Rosh Hashanah as no person does no the day nor the hour until the High Priest goes out and looks at the moon.

I'm not explaining this the best, I know Smile

I'll see if I can find the book I read that in.

07-28-2006, 09:40 PM

Stormlover Wrote:I dont' agree...my views have been passed on through history,yours have no basis,no purpose...
anyway,if I'm wrong,what did I lose,but if are wrong,you lose everything and will burn forever after death...easy choice I'd say,even from simply a point of view of someone that thinks reason is God.
"Deism is basing his belief on the light of nature and reason."
Sounds nice,but doesn't mean anything.

Basically this all comes down to, have faith and trust in His Word now...you won't have the opportunity to change your mind after death. That and it doesn't hurt any person to believe Him now Smile

Anyway, this is not my area of expertise. Although I thought there was a chance this would start discussions in these areas, that was not the intent of the post Smile

wwstewart · 07-29-2006, 08:57 AM

Quote:Ah, so using science to prove something that wasn't proving something before is "perverting his word?"

I don't want to fight. I want to understand your viewpoint, and so far, I don't.

Using science to prove something is not perverting His word. What IS is you've got hundreds of groups of people all with different doctrines CLAIMING that they believe the same text. They take bits and pieces of it, and leave out the parts that don't suit them, and claim to be Christians. THAT is perverting the word of God - using it to claim things that are not so. Denominations do this all of the time.

Quote:where should a person begin studying christianity?

The best place to start would be the beginning -- the word of God. The Bible. If one was to honestly study what it says, not twist things or leave things out, there is much to be learned - even by those who are familiar with the scriptures.

The problems begin when people try to make the Bible fit their lives, instead of making their lives fit the word of God. THAT is perverting the word of God.

Quote:While Biblical prophetic references were used by the author; and he instructed how one could accept Christ into their life at the end; the main message was about an alliance between Russia, Iran, and Syria.

My original response was to that note: the author of that article has perverted what the scripture says by teaching a plan of salvation that is not in complete accord with the scriptures. He's teaching an incomplete gospel. He's also not understanding that the book of Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, etc. are not referring to the end of time, but the fall of Jerusalem - things that were occuring in their time, not ours. Teaching this perverted gospel and erroneous 'prediction' makes him a false teacher. THAT is perverting God's word.

wwstewart · 07-29-2006, 08:58 AM

Matrix13 Wrote:Maybe he is speaking in tongues

No I don't want to start a discussion on that subject!

Yep, that's another topic altogether, but I'd have to say that was very funny. You get 10 points...lol

wwstewart · 07-29-2006, 09:01 AM

Matrix13 Wrote:Basically this all comes down to, have faith and trust in His Word now...you won't have the opportunity to change your mind after death. That and it doesn't hurt any person to believe Him now

Anyway, this is not my area of expertise. Although I thought there was a chance this would start discussions in these areas, that was not the intent of the post

You are absolutely right. The only thing is, it can't be a half-hearted effort. You have to try to live your life according to what it says. And the Bible also teaches that faith alone is not enough.

wwstewart · 07-29-2006, 09:12 AM

Quote:I read a thing once that stated Jesus might return during the "Feast of Trumpets"/Rosh Hashanah. It had something to do with this being the only matter He had yet to fulfill regarding the celebrations/feasts. When Jesus said no man would know the day nor the hour, this was a specific reference to Rosh Hashanah as no person does no the day nor the hour until the High Priest goes out and looks at the moon.

I'm not explaining this the best, I know I'll see if I can find the book I read that in.

That might be an interesting read. Of course, Jesus could be saying that literally, too... I believe he was speaking literally. Remember, most gentiles don't know anything about Jewish festivals...shortly after the church was established, they began preaching and converting gentiles as well as Jews.

Stormlover · 07-29-2006, 11:41 AM

wwstewart Wrote:Religious, yes. On track with what the Bible teaches? No.

It doesn't teach that at all.

Correct WW....you can't make up your own end of the world like he did and still claim to believe in the Bible.

soonermeteor · 07-29-2006, 03:44 PM

Stormlover Wrote:Correct WW....you can't make up your own end of the world like he did and still claim to believe in the Bible.

But see, I never claimed to believe in the bible, I said i was religious.

proger · 07-29-2006, 03:49 PM

Stormlover Wrote:Correct WW....you can't make up your own end of the world like he did and still claim to believe in the Bible.

How do you know what the end of the world will be like? I've read the Bible many times and am a devout Christian. Unless it is slipping away from me I don't recall a description of the end of the world except for some imagery used by a few of the prophets, and as we can see by this entire thread that is subject to interpretation. So what if God does intend to destroy the earth by allowing the sun to become a red giant?