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06-16-2006, 10:41 AM
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Oh geez...the president bashing.

Ok, I'm not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination, but I am not a right-wing extremist either. Presidents (on both sides) catch alot of flack for things they have no control over, simply because of their position. People want to argue politics when they won't put forth the effort to find out why it works the way it works.

I'm not saying anything bad about anyone here, please don't misunderstand me. Maybe we all have studied politics. If so, the president blaming needs to stop. Maybe he's not the brightest bulb in the box, but he's still the president, and needs to be respected as such. Whether or not things are going the way we want them to, more goes on than we know about, so we all (myself included) need to lay off the president. He's not the worst, and I'm sure worse will eventually come along.

You can't blame one person for everything that goes wrong.
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06-16-2006, 10:48 AM
Post: #32
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wwstewart Wrote:No, I would not. That calls for hormone therapy. That person would still be female, albiet a very masculine one. It's still genetically based, and you can't do alot about that. You can take hormones, but remain the same sex.

Just because someone acts, thinks, looks and walks like the opposite sex, doesn't mean they are. Men are supposed to be distinguishable from women. Hormones would be alright, but mutilating one's body to try to emulate something other than what they are is wrong.

Some people are born with abnormalities that lead to confusion, such as transgendered people. But just because someone thinks/feels they should be a different sex than they are doesn't make it right.

So just because one small section of flesh formed a certain way then that is what makes you a man or a woman?
Genetically you are the opposite of what you are physically so you would be correcting the problem not mutilating it.

I know it is hard to understand but sometimes nature messes up and we need to fix the mistakes.
This is no different.
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06-16-2006, 10:49 AM
Post: #33
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wwstewart Wrote:Oh geez...the president bashing.

Ok, I'm not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination, but I am not a right-wing extremist either. Presidents (on both sides) catch alot of flack for things they have no control over, simply because of their position. People want to argue politics when they won't put forth the effort to find out why it works the way it works.

I'm not saying anything bad about anyone here, please don't misunderstand me. Maybe we all have studied politics. If so, the president blaming needs to stop. Maybe he's not the brightest bulb in the box, but he's still the president, and needs to be respected as such. Whether or not things are going the way we want them to, more goes on than we know about, so we all (myself included) need to lay off the president. He's not the worst, and I'm sure worse will eventually come along.

You can't blame one person for everything that goes wrong.


i am not dragging this into that territory because anything i talk about it coming from me and has nothing to do with the people who run the county.
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06-16-2006, 11:02 AM
Post: #34
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TallahasseeLassie Wrote:So just because one small section of flesh formed a certain way then that is what makes you a man or a woman?
Genetically you are the opposite of what you are physically so you would be correcting the problem not mutilating it.

I know it is hard to understand but sometimes nature messes up and we need to fix the mistakes.
This is no different.

I understand, sometimes there are glitches. But when a child is born, sex is not determined by genetic panels, it is by physical structure. And generally, signs of that type of genetic abnormality don't show up immediately after birth. As for fixing it, if your hormones are imbalanced, and the weight of the imbalance doesn't reflect that of the physical structure, then hormone therapy can help repair the imbalance, without changing the physical structure (which is what doctors, as well as everyone throughout history have used to verify sex).

The idea of not being a match for one's gender is not a new idea, but the fact still remains, that sex has been determined the same way for hundreds of generations, back to the beginning of time. And that is a point that no one (who is totally honest with themselves) can refute.
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06-16-2006, 11:07 AM
Post: #35
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TallahasseeLassie Wrote:i am not dragging this into that territory because anything i talk about it coming from me and has nothing to do with the people who run the county.

I apologize if you got the impression that I was making accusations. Politics aside, I think you are an intellegent human being and appreciate the conversation. While my comment was spawned by the "president from hell" comment, I wasn't directing this toward you per se, but to everyone (liberal and conservative) that like to point fingers. I've been guilty of this in the past myself. I'm trying to change that now.
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06-16-2006, 11:10 AM
Post: #36
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wwstewart Wrote:I understand, sometimes there are glitches. But when a child is born, sex is not determined by genetic panels, it is by physical structure. And generally, signs of that type of genetic abnormality don't show up immediately after birth. As for fixing it, if your hormones are imbalanced, and the weight of the imbalance doesn't reflect that of the physical structure, then hormone therapy can help repair the imbalance, without changing the physical structure (which is what doctors, as well as everyone throughout history have used to verify sex).

The idea of not being a match for one's gender is not a new idea, but the fact still remains, that sex has been determined the same way for hundreds of generations, back to the beginning of time. And that is a point that no one (who is totally honest with themselves) can refute.

People were scared or made afraid to discuss the real issues until recently.
This has been an issue for centuries but we all know it was a forbidden subject until the past few decades.
We are much more intelligent now and can help rectify the mistakes that can be made during the formation of the physical body.
I agree that if it is a simple abnormality that can be rectified by hormones then that is the avenue that should be used but i also know that sometimes it so not that simple.
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06-16-2006, 11:12 AM
Post: #37
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wwstewart Wrote:I apologize if you got the impression that I was making accusations. Politics aside, I think you are an intellegent human being and appreciate the conversation. While my comment was spawned by the "president from hell" comment, I wasn't directing this toward you per se, but to everyone (liberal and conservative) that like to point fingers. I've been guilty of this in the past myself. I'm trying to change that now.


Thank you and ditto and i agree.
I dont like to bring it into things.
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06-16-2006, 11:13 AM
Post: #38
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Stormlover Wrote:I stand by my comment however,which wasn't directed at you anyway
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I know it wasn't directed at me storm, that was a just in case for a reply. I also am not talking about someone who thinks they should be another sex. I am talking about people who were born with sexual organ with sex chromosome abnormalities. There are REAL transgendered individuals just like there are babies born with missing limbs, with Down syndrome, with heart abnormalities, etc. So what happens when parents have a baby that has ambiguous genitalia that isn't helped by genetic tests. For instance, the Y chromosome contains a small gene called SRY that produces a certain hormone that switches the default gonadal development (female) to male in the developing fetus. Some XY fetuses have an SRY mutation, the fetus doesn't produce the hormone and the XY fetus grows a distorted form of genitalia. So what is the child? Male of female? Is the child really genetically male? The questions could go on and on. Again usually the parents have to make a really tough decision, an operation takes place, the child grows up being taught it is one thing but I think we can all agree that in this case the sex of this person goes beyond what the external says. This type of person will likely have a sexual identity crisis later in life and are usually the type of people who have sex change operations.
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06-16-2006, 11:16 AM
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proger Wrote:I know it wasn't directed at me storm, that was a just in case for a reply. I also am not talking about someone who thinks they should be another sex. I am talking about people who were born with sexual organ with sex chromosome abnormalities. There are REAL transgendered individuals just like there are babies born with missing limbs, with Down syndrome, with heart abnormalities, etc. So what happens when parents have a baby that has ambiguous genitalia that isn't helped by genetic tests. For instance, the Y chromosome contains a small gene called SRY that produces a certain hormone that switches the default gonadal development (female) to male in the developing fetus. Some XY fetuses have an SRY mutation, the fetus doesn't produce the hormone and the XY fetus grows a distorted form of genitalia. So what is the child? Male of female? Is the child really genetically male? The questions could go on and on. Again usually the parents have to make a really tough decision, an operation takes place, the child grows up being taught it is one thing but I think we can all agree that in this case the sex of this person goes beyond what the external says. This type of person will likely have a sexual identity crisis later in life and are usually the type of people who have sex change operations.

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06-16-2006, 11:44 AM
Post: #40
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That is somewhat logical for people who are born transgendered, and I totally understand that situation.

My concern is with people who are NOT born transgendered, who merely "feel" they should be the opposite sex.

There IS a MAJOR difference in the two.
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