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New Orelans is a city of complete idiots.. im not going there anytime soon
05-22-2006, 08:57 AM
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New Orelans is a city of complete idiots.. im not going there anytime soon
ladybug Wrote:Nagin did not make or let people walk to the superdome. There were busses provided at many locations in the city to pick up citzens and drop them off at the supderdome. BTW didn't you see the traffic jam of people driving to the superdome the minute it opened it. Many of these people could have driven out of town but choose to stay, either because they figured it was a false alarm, they did not want to spend their money on evacuating and they feel the government owes it to them.

Most of the people who stayed behind had the mentality that the government should take care of them because they are taken care of already with their welfare, food stamps, medical cards, WIC, etc. You could see the people standing in line waiting for the dome to open and rarely did you see them have any supplies with them. They expected to have everything handed to them on a silver platter. Most didn't seem to be carrying anything including extra clothes.

Nagin announced Saturday that he would be calling for a MANDATORY evaucation on Sunday morning, but had to get legal issues in places prior to making the official announcement. He had urged residents to leave prior to this. If you see a mack truck is headed straight to your house does someone have to force you to leave or tell you to leave. What did they think it would be like in the dome as party. A MAJOR hurricane was headed to New Orleans with predications to do just what it did.

As of Friday morning the storm was not predicted to hit New Orleans. Do you think he can just put people on a bus without having places setup ready to accept them. Even if there was plan as to where they wuold bring the people they need more then 24 hours to pull it all together. New Orleans is filled will uneducated criminals. I just wonder who in their right mind would want the job of driving these idiots out of town. Can you imagine guns being fired on the bus while you are driving?

Since when is it the Mayor's responsiblity to get people out of town. I believe Nagin screwed up on many levels as did the Governor who was responsible for some of the slow response from the feds. There are procedures that needed to be followed to receive help from the feds and she failed to impliment these in a timely manner. You cannot just say "give me everything you got" and expect the feds to give you what you need. The reason there are procedures is due to the democracy our country is ran under. A state is just not automatically taken over by the feds when there is a disaster.
You're wrong on a number of counts.You need to read The Great Deluge,a top selling book out now that chronicles Saturday before to Saturday after.The mayor caused more problems with this than anyone else.He DID NOT say he WOULD call for a mandatory evacuation on Sat...he hemmed and hawed and said he was talking to lawyers about it,when it was clear it should have been done even before Saturday.He has blood on his hands that can't be washed off by misinformation.This stuff is all documented,what he did and didn't do. Also,let some white mayor say God means somewhere to be a vanilla city and see what kind of chance he has to not just get elected,but to not be villified by every media outlet going.Nagin sucks!/whip
Fri morning the storm WAS heading for New Orleans, it was in the cone of possible landfall.It did get stronger after that,but to say it wasn't heading that way is just wrong. Read the facts.Why you try to defend him doing nothing,and yes it IS his responsibility to force people out.You need to read how people stayed in their slums because they said Nagin hadn't told them they had to leave so it couldn't be that bad.....jeez...then after the storm he hid on top of the hotel by the Superdome,the Hyatt and wouldn't even come down to see the situation or talk with people.He even evacuated to the roof because he was afraid the angry people were coming after him.He blew it every change he had,before,during and after this disaster.
I'm not saying everyperson that could and knew to leave did...there were lots of cases of stupidity,but others didn't know the real danger and Nagin was more concerned about being sued by hotels,etc.if the storm didn't hit after he called for mandtory evacuation...he put dollars over lives
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05-22-2006, 09:02 AM
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That wasn't cool Proger./Wow
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05-22-2006, 09:16 AM
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Stormlover Wrote:That wasn't cool Proger./Wow

Ahh, cut me some slack storm. I apologized above. WTF do I know. I'm just an uneducated doctor here in NOLA who has to live everyday amongst the rubble and decay. I'm not defending Nagin's actions. Maybe I don't know the whole story about what he did or didn't do. All I know is what I saw going on on TV just like the rest of you during that first week. I just came away with a different viewpoint. Maybe I need to read that book, how trustworthy is the source?

MY POINT, is that I would still rather see Nagin in office over anyone in the Landrieu family. That point, I guess, cannot be understood by anyone outside of NOLA because you people don't know the Landrieu family. Nagin was not my choice. Out of all the possible candidates he was second to last. Mitch was last. But out of the 2, hurricane performance aside, Nagin did alot to get the corruption out of city government. Stuff that has plagued the city for decades. Stuff that smells of other regimes, including the Landrieu clan.
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05-22-2006, 09:23 AM
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LB, you said it wasn't heading for New Orleans on Friday...this is from Wikipedia:
By August 26, the possibility of unprecedented cataclysm was already being considered. Some computer models were putting the city of New Orleans right in the center of their track probabilities
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05-22-2006, 09:27 AM
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proger Wrote:Ahh, cut me some slack storm. I apologized above. WTF do I know. I'm just an uneducated doctor here in NOLA who has to live everyday amongst the rubble and decay. I'm not defending Nagin's actions. Maybe I don't know the whole story about what he did or didn't do. All I know is what I saw going on on TV just like the rest of you during that first week. I just came away with a different viewpoint. Maybe I need to read that book, how trustworthy is the source?

MY POINT, is that I would still rather see Nagin in office over anyone in the Landrieu family. That point, I guess, cannot be understood by anyone outside of NOLA because you people don't know the Landrieu family. Nagin was not my choice. Out of all the possible candidates he was second to last. Mitch was last. But out of the 2, hurricane performance aside, Nagin did alot to get the corruption out of city government. Stuff that has plagued the city for decades. Stuff that smells of other regimes, including the Landrieu clan.

The source is very trustworthy:

Douglas Brinkley
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Douglas Brinkley (born 1961) is an author and professor of history, currently lecturing at Tulane University. He is most famous for his John Kerry biography, Tour of Duty.

The late historian, Stephen E. Ambrose, once called Brinkley "the best of the new generation of American historians" [1].

During the early 1990's, Brinkley taught American Arts and Politics aboard the Majic Bus, a roving, natural-gas powered transcontinental classroom, from which emerged the book, The Majic Bus: an American Odyssey.

In January 2006, Brinkley and fellow historian, Julie M. Fenster, released Parish Priest, a biography of Fr. Michael J. McGivney, the founder of the Knights of Columbus.

In May 2006, he released The Great Deluge: Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans, and the Mississippi Gulf Coast, a record of the effects of Hurricane Katrina on the Gulf Coast. Brinkley spoke about the book and his experiences during Hurricane Katrina on NPR's Fresh Air in September of 2005 [2].

Brinkley lives in New Orleans with his wife and two children.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Brinkley"
I didn't say anything against what you said except that the racist language wasn't cool,no more cool that Nagins Chocolate City statement,which would have doomed any white politician,no questions asked.
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05-22-2006, 09:44 AM
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Stormlover Wrote:LB, you said it wasn't heading for New Orleans on Friday...this is from Wikipedia:
By August 26, the possibility of unprecedented cataclysm was already being considered. Some computer models were putting the city of New Orleans right in the center of their track probabilities
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I said Friday morning. The shift came Friday afternoon/evening. Read the NHC forecasts and you will see it Friday morning it was predicted to hit Florida/Alabama and Friday afternnon the forecast shifted toward the left, and they were still saying it go turn like Ivan did.

When it was forecasted to hit still has nothing to do with the idiots blaming Nagin for their butts being stuck here. Anyone with an ounce of sense doesn't stay around for a storm of that size, especially with babies. If you do choose to stay you at least make sure you have the necessary supplies and don't run to the dome crying it is the governments fault.

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
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05-22-2006, 09:49 AM
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ladybug Wrote:I said Friday morning. The shift came Friday afternoon/evening. Read the NHC forecasts and you will see it Friday morning it was predicted to hit Florida/Alabama and Friday afternnon the forecast shifted toward the left, and they were still saying it go turn like Ivan did.

When it was forecasted to hit still has nothing to do with the idiots blaming Nagin for their butts being stuck here. Anyone with an ounce of sense doesn't stay around for a storm of that size, especially with babies. If you do choose to stay you at least make sure you have the necessary supplies and don't run to the dome crying it is the governments fault.
The point is that by Friday evening it was clear that a disaster of biblical proportions was very,very possible and Nagin twiddled his fingers until Sunday,when it was too late to evacuate even IF he has plans in motion,which had NONE.

You're not getting Nagin out of this..maybe New Orleans wanted to not hold him responsible,but the rest of the nation knows that that was indefensible to reelect him.Again,you need to read this book to understand how those uneducated,poor people with no transportation and having heard hurricane threats year after year were not going to leave,because first of all they didn't have the means to...since nothing was provided to get them out.When Nagin was asked by NBC News about why all these things were not done,such as using the buses to evacuate as many as possible instead of letting them sit there and get flooded,his response was" I don't know,that is a question for someone else"...give me a freakin' break,this guy should be thrown in jail for negligent homicide due to his inactions.
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05-22-2006, 10:37 AM
Post: #28
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I am not saying Nagin should have been relected. I am just pointing out facts about what happened. It was not too late to evacuate on Sunday because that is when I evacuated. The city of New Orleans did have an disaster plan. You seem upset that he waited so late to call the mandatory evacuation but what good would it have done since you believe all of these people could not afford to leave which is not the truth in the majority of the cases. Have you ever driven near a HUD housing project and seen the nice expensive cars they people have? Since when it is it the responsiblity of the city to provide transportation for people to evacuate. How many other cities/states provide transportation for their citizens to evacuate? The elderly and disabled should have help, but not your everday citizen.

New Orleans does not have the only poor people in the US. I am sure there are some very poor people in FL that have trouble affording to evacute. When you live in a hurricane zone you make sure you have the money saved or other plans to take care of yourself and family. What about the people that live on Grand Isle that have to evacuate for tropical storms. Should be pay for their transportation too or only New Orleans?

You just watch when and if they provide transporation to take them out of New Orleans. They will complain the bus/train was not good enough. They were hot, cold, cramped or mistreated. They will want to be fed and clothed and whatever they get will not be good enough. Even after their sorry butts were transported out of New Orleans they complained they were taken away from their homes and but on buses like slaves.

Come saty in New Orleans for one month. Drive down the street during the middle of the day and watch young men and women not working. They are driving expensive vehicles with sound systems that problem cost as much as money monthly salary. They are out getting their hair weaved and nails done so they look pretty when they go for their free medical care and then you tell me if these kind of people deserve the special treatment you think they deserve.

Did Nagin screw up. YES just like a bunch of other people who were overwhelmed by a disaster like no one has ever experienced before. However, a lot of people's problems were brought on by themselves and not Nagin, the feds or the state.

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05-22-2006, 10:44 AM
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[quote][It was not too late to evacuate on Sunday because that is when I evacuated./QUOTE]
You had a way out.They say it would take 48 hours to adequately evacuate New Orleans,therefore there WAS NOT time by their own plan,if the plan was in motion,which it wasn't.They had no communications center set up,that is why Nagin hid up high in the Hyatt and tried to avoid coming out for days.
That's a different story about blaming the government in general...i agree with that,and in fact people shouldn't be living in some of those areas anyway and if they rebuild it will happen again and me and you and everyone else will have to pay for it.
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05-22-2006, 10:59 AM
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Stormlover Wrote:The source is very trustworthy:

Douglas Brinkley
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Douglas Brinkley (born 1961) is an author and professor of history, currently lecturing at Tulane University. He is most famous for his John Kerry biography, Tour of Duty.

The late historian, Stephen E. Ambrose, once called Brinkley "the best of the new generation of American historians" [1].

During the early 1990's, Brinkley taught American Arts and Politics aboard the Majic Bus, a roving, natural-gas powered transcontinental classroom, from which emerged the book, The Majic Bus: an American Odyssey.

In January 2006, Brinkley and fellow historian, Julie M. Fenster, released Parish Priest, a biography of Fr. Michael J. McGivney, the founder of the Knights of Columbus.

In May 2006, he released The Great Deluge: Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans, and the Mississippi Gulf Coast, a record of the effects of Hurricane Katrina on the Gulf Coast. Brinkley spoke about the book and his experiences during Hurricane Katrina on NPR's Fresh Air in September of 2005 [2].

Brinkley lives in New Orleans with his wife and two children.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Brinkley"
I didn't say anything against what you said except that the racist language wasn't cool,no more cool that Nagins Chocolate City statement,which would have doomed any white politician,no questions asked.


Keith,

We agree again. Oh my. What is this world coming to? Smile I agree, Dr Brinkley is good historian. Not related to each other, but I use Alan Brinkley's (Son of David...ABC and NBC Anchor for years) work in my history classes. Back to Dr Brinkley (Douglas), he is a Kennedy historian (and many say apologist) and I have heard nothing but great reviews on his book. I will be purchasing this book.
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