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New Orelans is a city of complete idiots.. im not going there anytime soon
05-23-2006, 10:18 AM
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New Orelans is a city of complete idiots.. im not going there anytime soon
Stormlover Wrote:By the way,they did a simulated drill Called Hurricane Pam to prepare for this type of event so everything was supposed to be figured out BEFORE a freakin' hurricane is about to hit...to avoid this type of negligence,but with an incompetant leader in charge the plans weren't ready and weren't followed.

[COLOR="Purple"]Storm..I don't think that is a true statement. The Hurricane Pam study was complete, by the Federal Gov't (if I'm not mistaken) but is was never turned over locally come time for Katrina. That was one of the big gripes about the Feds. The information was in hand but never put out for all to see or impliment.

And PS....you've called 2 people "closed minded" in this thread. But honestly, I think you're the one that is pretty closed minded about this. None of us are advocating Nagin...but we've got an open enough mind to not accuse him of all things that are mentioned here. [/COLOR]

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05-23-2006, 10:24 AM
Post: #92
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eyendastorm Wrote:[COLOR="Purple"]Storm..I don't think that is a true statement. The Hurricane Pam study was complete, by the Federal Gov't (if I'm not mistaken) but is was never turned over locally come time for Katrina. That was one of the big gripes about the Feds. The information was in hand but never put out for all to see or impliment.

And PS....you've called 2 people "closed minded" in this thread. But honestly, I think you're the one that is pretty closed minded about this. None of us are advocating Nagin...but we've got an open enough mind to not accuse him of all things that are mentioned here. [/COLOR]
that is just wrong,the state local and fed govt. were all involved in the Pam drill ..that is what it was about..which cost millions of our tax dollars...Nagin was there and he left needing to fine tune the cities part and did NOTHING..he sat on his *** and did NOTHING...that is why they weren't prepared...dont' blame the big federal govt. for his innactions,lack of leadership and negligence.And eye,coming from someone that won't even read a book out of closed mindedness,I'll try to ignore that.
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05-23-2006, 10:30 AM
Post: #93
New Orelans is a city of complete idiots.. im not going there anytime soon
eyendastorm Wrote:[COLOR="Purple"]Storm..I don't think that is a true statement. The Hurricane Pam study was complete, by the Federal Gov't (if I'm not mistaken) but is was never turned over locally come time for Katrina. That was one of the big gripes about the Feds. The information was in hand but never put out for all to see or impliment.

And PS....you've called 2 people "closed minded" in this thread. But honestly, I think you're the one that is pretty closed minded about this. None of us are advocating Nagin...but we've got an open enough mind to not accuse him of all things that are mentioned here. [/COLOR]

The last "Hurricane Pam" training exercise was completed August 24, 2005, less than a week before Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast. They did not have time to implement the plan before Katrina struck.

Correct about the closed mind stuff eye, Everything cannot be done ahead of time. There are last minute things that cannot be taken care of until the decision to call a mandatory evacuation is made. Personnel has to be verified, documents have to be prepared, signed and filed in court, etc.

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05-23-2006, 10:34 AM
Post: #94
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Oh Storm, I think I'd rather beat my head against this wall than continue to go on about this with you. For the sake of my sanity, I've GOT to leave this thead alone. Cheers buddy.....you win! /champ

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05-23-2006, 10:34 AM
Post: #95
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ladybug Wrote:The last "Hurricane Pam" training exercise was completed August 24, 2005, less than a week before Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast. They did not have time to implement the plan before Katrina struck.

Correct about the closed mind stuff eye, Everything cannot be done ahead of time. There are last minute things that cannot be taken care of until the decision to call a mandatory evacuation is made. Personnel has to be verified, documents have to be prepared, signed and filed in court, etc.
They had been planning Pam for longer than that.I'll get the facts if you want.For you to act like someone is supposed to NOT have plans ready to roll in case of an event like this is just mindboggling.For you to expect so little from your government,well,you live in Louisiana,I guess you are used to it.

Edit:In July 2004, Maestri had participated in an exercise called Hurricane Pam, a simulation of a Category 3 storm drowning New Orleans. Emergency planners had concluded that a real Pam would create a flood of unimaginable proportions, killing tens of thousands of people, wiping out hundreds of thousands of homes, shutting down southeast Louisiana for months. JULY 2004!

And I guess saving 700 people on this train wasn't Nagins fault either when no one from his office wanted to take up their offer:
The only thing I can say to them is I hope they have a hotel room, and it's a least on the third floor and up," Nagin said. "Unfortunately, unless they can rent a car to get out of town, which I doubt they can at this point, they're probably in the position of riding the storm out."

In fact, while the last regularly scheduled train out of town had left a few hours earlier, Amtrak had decided to run a "dead-head" train that evening to move equipment out of the city. It was headed for high ground in Macomb, Miss., and it had room for several hundred passengers. "We offered the city the opportunity to take evacuees out of harm's way," said Amtrak spokesman Cliff Black. "The city declined."

So the ghost train left New Orleans at 8:30 p.m., with no passengers on board.
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05-23-2006, 10:52 AM
Post: #96
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Stormlover Wrote:They had been planning Pam for longer than that.I'll get the facts if you want.For you to act like someone is supposed to NOT have plans ready to roll in case of an event like this is just mindboggling.For you to expect so little from your government,well,you live in Louisiana,I guess you are used to it.

Edit:In July 2004, Maestri had participated in an exercise called Hurricane Pam, a simulation of a Category 3 storm drowning New Orleans. Emergency planners had concluded that a real Pam would create a flood of unimaginable proportions, killing tens of thousands of people, wiping out hundreds of thousands of homes, shutting down southeast Louisiana for months. JULY 2004!

You are right AN EXERCISE happened in 2004 the last exercise was one week before Katrina.

The report produced following "Hurricane Pam" was "designed to be the first step toward producing a comprehensive hurricane response plan, jointly approved and implemented by federal, state and city officials," the Associated Press reported (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/09/katrina.planners.ap/) September 9, 2005. "But a lack of funding prohibited planners from quickly following up on the 2004 simulation. ... 'Money was not available to do the follow-up'," then FEMA director Michael D. Brown said.

Was the lack of funding to implement the plan Nagin's fault?
Quote:http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit...simulation

No one said people were not suppose to have plans ready to role we are saying that those plans cannot happen in a split second and takes time to come together. You are reading what you want to hear and not what we are typing.

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05-23-2006, 10:53 AM
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what about the Amtrack train LB...huh...Nagin had 700 seats offered to him and they weren't interested.....
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05-23-2006, 10:58 AM
Post: #98
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Stormlover Wrote:what about the Amtrack train LB...huh...Nagin had 700 seats offered to him and they weren't interested.....


I never read about that lately. Last I remember Nagin said he was not contacted. If Amtrack made the offer to Nagin and he turned them down why didn't they make it to the public or to other low lying areas and not just New Orleans.

I am not once saying Nagin did everything right I am saying he is not the only one to blame and somethings he did he as a matter of law.

Everyone is telling you they are not defending Nagin just stating facts of things that happened.

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05-23-2006, 11:01 AM
Post: #99
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ladybug Wrote:I never read about that lately. Last I remember Nagin said he was not contacted. If Amtrack made the offer to Nagin and he turned them down why didn't they make it to the public or to other low lying areas and not just New Orleans.

I am not once saying Nagin did everything right I am saying he is not the only one to blame and somethings he did he as a matter of law.

Everyone is telling you they are not defending Nagin just stating facts of things that happened.
No,the facts point left and right to Ray Nagin first and foremost of all.Then when you will stop drinking the koolaid and admit that,there is plenty of blame for the state and FEMA and Bush and everyone,but since you won't face facts about how terrible his leadership was then it's all a moot point.
I read where a black minister was stunned and outraged and beyond belief that when nothing was said or done to help evacuate those that had no means out,he kept calling the mayors office over and over and was shunned and told that Nagin had more important things to worry about,etc.....
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05-23-2006, 11:11 AM
Post: #100
New Orelans is a city of complete idiots.. im not going there anytime soon
Stormlover Wrote:No,the facts point left and right to Ray Nagin first and foremost of all.Then when you will stop drinking the koolaid and admit that,there is plenty of blame for the state and FEMA and Bush and everyone,but since you won't face facts about how terrible his leadership was then it's all a moot point.
I read where a black minister was stunned and outraged and beyond belief that when nothing was said or done to help evacuate those that had no means out,he kept calling the mayors office over and over and was shunned and told that Nagin had more important things to worry about,etc.....

ONCE AGAIN, no one is defending Nagin, just spreading the blame around. There is plenty of room for the state, FEMA and Bush, and Nagin has nothing to do with them he is local to New Orleans.

I agree Nagin had better things to worry about then talking to some nut minister on the phone. I would be outraged if he would have been taking calls like that. If his minister had a plan other then to complain to Nagin why didn't he put it into action?

I would rather drink my koolaid then whatever it is you drink/drank that has you stuck on Nagin.

I agree to disagree and quit

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