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Weak El nino could cause Stronger Winters? - Jason234 - 11-19-2004 05:25 PM

Today, when I was looking at the models this hit me like a ton of bricks. What if the increased pressure gradient that is a net result of the warmer waters in the South Pacific, pushes the Pacific ridge or breaks off pieces which in turn land in Canada. This would push a constant flow of high pressure, like facilitated diffusion into Canada and allow the wavelengths to broaden. The only reason why we didn't have a major snowstorm in the east yet was because of the absence of the Canadian high. Maybe, once we get a lower SOI signal then the ridge will orientate itself so that it is a convergence zone. But then why do we have associate a la nina with a more “harsh” winter, and a el nino with a warm winter, this is because there are specific temperatures that generate anomalous stronger trade winds. Maybe since temperature is a measure of molecular motion, the warmer air contains faster moving molecules but not to fast, to create a short burst of energy diffusion but a long one; hence the reason why temperatures are not extremes. If global warming is present, and the theory is true, it will create extremes of temperatures that at most would cause a short burst of harsh weather. Therefore, I do not feel hurricanes are directly related to el nino, but indirectly, making a correlation possible because they are a conjunction (which is a truth statement T^T=T). Comments and constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated...thanks!


Weak El nino could cause Stronger Winters? - James - 11-19-2004 05:41 PM

Wow, those are some good thoughts. If you don't mind me asking, do you think this weak El Nino could influence the type of winter weather worldwide (well, the areas experiencing winter)?


Weak El nino could cause Stronger Winters? - Jason234 - 11-19-2004 06:01 PM

Yes, it can and since the total energy on earth is a constant,or almost one I bet that if we were to have a method of figuring out the curvature of trofs, we could add that up and then set it equal to the total amount of insolation coming in. Neverless that it is very difficult to do and much easier to say, and don't forget to metion it takes a lot of work too. But yes the el nino is indicative of patterns worldwide, no doubt!


Weak El nino could cause Stronger Winters? - James - 11-19-2004 06:19 PM

It sounds fascinating, and the extraordinary complexity of it all never ceases to amaze me. It will be interesting to see what implications the current situation will have. Thanks for posting all of your findings - they really gave me something to think about. :Thumb Gri


Weak El nino could cause Stronger Winters? - Jason234 - 11-19-2004 06:53 PM

Thanks for all your kind words, I appreciate them. Do you have a Aim address (aka AOL)?


Weak El nino could cause Stronger Winters? - James - 11-20-2004 05:01 AM

Yes, I do. It is: - James031988.


Weak El nino could cause Stronger Winters? - LI Phil - 11-20-2004 09:57 AM

Jason234 Wrote:Today, when I was looking at the models this hit me like a ton of bricks. What if the increased pressure gradient that is a net result of the warmer waters in the South Pacific, pushes the Pacific ridge or breaks off pieces which in turn land in Canada. This would push a constant flow of high pressure, like facilitated diffusion into Canada and allow the wavelengths to broaden. The only reason why we didn't have a major snowstorm in the east yet was because of the absence of the Canadian high. Maybe, once we get a lower SOI signal then the ridge will orientate itself so that it is a convergence zone. But then why do we have associate a la nina with a more “harsh” winter, and a el nino with a warm winter, this is because there are specific temperatures that generate anomalous stronger trade winds. Maybe since temperature is a measure of molecular motion, the warmer air contains faster moving molecules but not to fast, to create a short burst of energy diffusion but a long one; hence the reason why temperatures are not extremes. If global warming is present, and the theory is true, it will create extremes of temperatures that at most would cause a short burst of harsh weather. Therefore, I do not feel hurricanes are directly related to el nino, but indirectly, making a correlation possible because they are a conjunction (which is a truth statement T^T=T). Comments and constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated...thanks!

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Weak El nino could cause Stronger Winters? - Jason234 - 11-21-2004 11:09 AM

Thanks!!! Who is that, I can't make out the accent?


Weak El nino could cause Stronger Winters? - starfish - 11-22-2004 12:07 AM

hey, I'm taking meterology next semester. I can't wait to learn about winter weather!