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I think it's the idea that Levi is a stereotypical redneck, the whole MySpace thing where he describes himself as a redneck is a dead giveaway of this. He's also a hockey player and has mad hockey hair, which is one sign that he might be a redneck.

Redneck was originally, and still in many parts, meant to refer to those who worked hard, usually on the land, for everything they had. I think it's just kind of been bastardized.
Not that I have a dog in this race but I think thats just what you can expect to see on a kids myspace. The fact that Sara has a daughter that is pregnant at 17 doesn't bother me at all because it just shows how stuff like that can happen no matter who you are and no matter how hard you try with your kids they are going to make mistakes, to me that just makes her seem more REAL and I think I want a REAL person in a position of power in this country as oppossed to someone that never had real stuff like that happen to their family and never had to deal with the things like this, And most people in this country have had to deal with such things as their kids getting pregnant to soon in life or having a boyfriend that wasn't hand picked by the parents. IT happens and we deal with it and thats what it seems that Sara is doing "dealing with it". Ok I am done I will now remove my dog from the race LOL
nikkinmiss Wrote:Not that I have a dog in this race but I think thats just what you can expect to see on a kids myspace. The fact that Sara has a daughter that is pregnant at 17 doesn't bother me at all because it just shows how stuff like that can happen no matter who you are and no matter how hard you try with your kids they are going to make mistakes, to me that just makes her seem more REAL and I think I want a REAL person in a position of power in this country as oppossed to someone that never had real stuff like that happen to their family and never had to deal with the things like this, And most people in this country have had to deal with such things as their kids getting pregnant to soon in life or having a boyfriend that wasn't hand picked by the parents. IT happens and we deal with it and thats what it seems that Sara is doing "dealing with it". Ok I am done I will now remove my dog from the race LOL

Obama never had a father in his life, only meeting him once. That's pretty real, a lot of people experience that.

He worked hard to get a scholarship so he could afford to go to school, otherwise he wouldn't be able to. That's pretty real.

Caribou Barbie didn't teach her children about safe sex because it's evil. Come now.

Also, McCain went through some real stuff himself, and he's a viable candidate. Palin as a running mate is just a stunt. He could have picked a way better running mate.
TMLfan Wrote:Obama never had a father in his life, only meeting him once. That's pretty real, a lot of people experience that.

He worked hard to get a scholarship so he could afford to go to school, otherwise he wouldn't be able to. That's pretty real.

Caribou Barbie didn't teach her children about safe sex because it's evil. Come now.

Also, McCain went through some real stuff himself, and he's a viable candidate. Palin as a running mate is just a stunt. He could have picked a way better running mate.

I didn't say Obama wasn't real, he seems like a great person, he just doesn't happen to be who I want to support for president. I am sure he has went through alot getting to where he is today, and I admire him for that, Just as I admire Mcain for all that he has been though, I also happen to admire Sara Palin as of right now, She may do something in the future that will change my opinion but I won't judge her because her daughter is pregnant or because the guy that got her daugther pregnant claims to be a redneck, I think I would be very shallow if I did judge her because of that.
nikkinmiss Wrote:I didn't say Obama wasn't real, he seems like a great person, he just doesn't happen to be who I want to support for president. I am sure he has went through alot getting to where he is today, and I admire him for that, Just as I admire Mcain for all that he has been though, I also happen to admire Sara Palin as of right now, She may do something in the future that will change my opinion but I won't judge her because her daughter is pregnant or because the guy that got her daugther pregnant claims to be a redneck, I think I would be very shallow if I did judge her because of that.

Good call, a smart, reasonable response. What scares me is that there are a lot of people who don't think like you do, no matter what party you're talking about.

I just think it's scary that people will vote for Obama because he's black, McCain because he's a war hero, Palin because she's a woman, and Biden because...umm...Biden because Obama's black. Those are the wrong reasons to vote for someone, and I'm glad nobody in this thread actually subscribes to these ideals.
Yeah I see what you mean, I know people like that and Its very frustrating to try and talk to someone that closed minded. people should vote for someone because they believe in them and that just doesn't seem like what happens sometimes.
Thank you, Daniel. I did not visit his myspace page, but if the article is correct in quoting him, then I agree he sounds like a ****y, jerky, irresponsible kid who probably won't be much of a husband or father. Unless he grows up.
However, I disagree with his definition of himself as a "redneck". From Wickipedia (sp?):

[COLOR="Navy"]Another possible contributing source of the term redneck comes from The West Virginia Coal Miners March or the Battle of Blair Mountain when coal miners wore red bandanas around their necks to identify themselves as seeking the opportunity to unionize.

Another contributing theory derives the term from such individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime. The effect of decades of direct sunlight on the exposed skin of the back of the neck not only reddens fair skin, but renders it leathery and tough, and typically very wrinkled and spotted by late middle age. Similarly, some historians claim that the term redneck originated in 17th century Virginia, because fair-skinned unfree labourers were sunburnt while tending plantation crops.[/COLOR]


Unfortunately, there is much use of the term "redneck" in describing simple, hard-working blue collar laborers, farmers, mechanics, truckers, factory workers, oil-field workers, etc. and ESPECIALLY if they live in the South or the Southwest. Problem is with putting this negative label on these people is that they are the ones that keep our country going, just as much as the bankers and the engineers and the doctors and the lawyers. But back to Levi: I don't think he qualifies to be a redneck.
TMLfan Wrote:Good call, a smart, reasonable response. What scares me is that there are a lot of people who don't think like you do, no matter what party you're talking about.

I just think it's scary that people will vote for Obama because he's black, McCain because he's a war hero, Palin because she's a woman, and Biden because...umm...Biden because Obama's black. Those are the wrong reasons to vote for someone, and I'm glad nobody in this thread actually subscribes to these ideals.

My first response (documented somewhere in this forum) on Sarah Palin was "What? Who is she? Wait a minute!" But I kept my mind open.
I listened to her, every chance I got, and I am liking her more and more. I think she represents main-stream America, and that is a group that has been ignored and forgotten over the past few years. She brings good common sense to the table and has no previous ties to Washington DC. No, she is not an expert on everything; no one candidate can be. The whole business of being elected President and Vice President is a learn-as-you-go experience. That's what the President's cabinet is for: to have an expert on hand for each issue. Also know this: As for me, race and gender have nothing at all to do with my choice. It is the difference between liberal and conservative platforms, nothing more.
Windwatcher Wrote:From Wickipedia (sp?):

[COLOR="Navy"]Another possible contributing source of the term redneck comes from The West Virginia Coal Miners March or the Battle of Blair Mountain when coal miners wore red bandanas around their necks to identify themselves as seeking the opportunity to unionize.

Another contributing theory derives the term from such individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime. The effect of decades of direct sunlight on the exposed skin of the back of the neck not only reddens fair skin, but renders it leathery and tough, and typically very wrinkled and spotted by late middle age. Similarly, some historians claim that the term redneck originated in 17th century Virginia, because fair-skinned unfree labourers were sunburnt while tending plantation crops.[/COLOR]


Unfortunately, there is much use of the term "redneck" in describing simple, hard-working blue collar laborers, farmers, mechanics, truckers, factory workers, oil-field workers, etc. and ESPECIALLY if they live in the South or the Southwest. Problem is with putting this negative label on these people is that they are the ones that keep our country going, just as much as the bankers and the engineers and the doctors and the lawyers. But back to Levi: I don't think he qualifies to be a redneck.

In the sixties, rednecks did not have long hair, only "those long-haired hippy freaks" had it. *Rolleyes

On a side note, I got a email from a former co-worker attacking Sarah Palin from an animal rights point of view. /Wow

Also, one thing going for her is that she is the only one of the four who has held an executive position and not a member of the elitist "Rich Man/Woman" committee, the Senate.
Windwatcher Wrote:My first response (documented somewhere in this forum) on Sarah Palin was "What? Who is she? Wait a minute!" But I kept my mind open.
I listened to her, every chance I got, and I am liking her more and more. I think she represents main-stream America, and that is a group that has been ignored and forgotten over the past few years. She brings good common sense to the table and has no previous ties to Washington DC. No, she is not an expert on everything; no one candidate can be. The whole business of being elected President and Vice President is a learn-as-you-go experience. That's what the President's cabinet is for: to have an expert on hand for each issue. Also know this: As for me, race and gender have nothing at all to do with my choice. It is the difference between liberal and conservative platforms, nothing more.

Quite smart, actually. I must say though, as an outsider to the whole process, all sides are slipping up in things they say. I pay a lot of attention to what they're saying, probably because our election up here is incredibly boring, and the way they slip up constantly (they = everyone) is scary. I guess this is why the debates are so important, and I'm really looking forward to them.

All I know is that either McCain or Obama will be better than Bush, and the world is probably looking forward to that.
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